I also liked the V30 best. There are probably some folks back in England bitchin' that the Chinese took their job but hey, it's a world economy now and has been for many years. However, the sharp edge of a head transistors sometimes a good combination with. Instead the charts suggest that they are very similar. Q:Where are the current Celestion speakers manufactured England or China? Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.
I don't know how much all that explains, but the main point to me is that the major difference between the G12-65 and early G12T-75 was likely the voice coil former which, assuming the Heritage G12-65 reissue is an accurate reproduction, didn't seem to have much of an effect considering the frequency responses of the two speakers are almost identical. Other than the white speaker magnet tag 50 vs England , what are the other differences? It was simply too scooped for me. But I'd agree that there is some prestige-driven pricing going on with Celestion, and as an established brand they feel that the market will support that. Tax Policies This seller doesn't charge tax on their sales. Thanks for posting that Speaker comparison clip kebek.
I bought a Chinese made Johnson speaker back in the late '90's just to hear what it sounded like. One thing I have found is that I do prefer a cab with less speaker volume from a cubic feet perspective. I sold a G12H30 to another member here a while back. Loyalty to a company is admirable, but not as much as personal integrity. I've noticed for a long time now that they don't have quite the scooped sound of most other G12T-75s I've heard.
In fact, every component in that speaker, from materials to tooling, has probably changed in some way since 1985. I do own Marshall cabs with Chinese Celestions and I can't say they don't sound good. I'll see if I can get them on the same scale and overlay them. By having some of their speakers made in China, it allows Celestion to offer their products at lower prices. The sound is fairly neutral and slightly widened if the saturation comes from your preamp it will be perfect. The Brit's know what's up in that department! The G12-65 uses a fibreglass voice coil former, the G12T-75 uses a Kapton plastic former. I have been doing a lot of searching but I can't seem to get a definite answer.
I still find them crunchy and that's what I like. At least Fender is honest about it and it hasn't hurt them in the least. Also, after '86 the G12T-75 and G12M cones were stamped with the same tool, so that could have contributed to their similarity at the time. With your reasoning Japanese and Mexican made Fender guitars should just say Corona, Ca. I've owned both and they sound identical. Hence the 5150 and B cabs I know run.
In 1968 the company started production in , moving all production there by 1975. To be fair, both of these speakers were in the same 4x12 cabinet X-pattern so they might have been interfering with each other, but I also ran them separately previously to this and couldn't hear a difference then either which is what lead me to look at their frequency responses. Together they provide a full wide frequency range. If you look very close you will see what seems to be subtle differences in the graphs. You have to be careful taking this comparison too definitively, because the responses were taken by different people, on different equipment, in different rooms. Celestion Radio Company and Celestion Limited formed in 1927, and two years later the company moved across the Thames to. With 75W he will not risk to explode on stage like a 25W.
What you can see is that my old G12T-75 is significantly stronger from 650 to 850Hz and again from ~1. These changes would be the 75: +1 100hz +1 150hz -2 200hz -2 400hz -1 500hz -1 600hz -4 800hz -4 1000hz -4 1200hz -5 1500hz -2 4000hz -2 4500hz +4 6500hz +12 6800hz +6 7200hz +5 8000hz These are my close approximations based on the graphs. I'm not sure how much can be read into this comparison, and I would have much preferred to have taken both responses myself to make it as consistent as possible, but these frequency responses do seem to support what my and other people's ears detect. I can't really determine the age as I have not seen this format of serial number: 01840 normally Marshall has a production date in the Serial Number but not here so I can't say if my speakers are comparable in age to yours but I agree there is a significant tonal difference. I got both some G12M's and G12H's, both made in China. I wouldn't trust myself to identify which one is which.
Maybe Celestion saw the developing trend and instead of creating a new speaker they just quietly modified one of their most popular speakers. From the frequency responses I took, they could almost be the same speaker. Would be nice to know how to tell them apart. It could be that the Chinese operation helps support the English operation. I am just chiming in to say I too would love to hear some of the answers here. To the ear, they sound like the same speaker family but with the G12T-75 having a bigger bottom end and not quite as much presence in the high end.
After some digging to try and get to the bottom of this, this is what I've found. If so what year did they start doing that? Tarzn - Thanks for posting the specs side by side. But instead of closing that down and moving everything to China, they keep that going because of loyalty to England? The G12T-75 to me is a brighter speaker and would most likely suit straight cabs as such. Those savings are still available on Ebay and places like this all the time. On the contrary, you can assume that almost no one knows and will assume it is made in the only location printed on the speaker. This was done during a blind test with all three cabs.
I have also used the speaker along with a in a Marshall cab. So Vox owners understandably feel ripped off. I've never looked at them but assuming they are Chinese since my cabs aren't that old. So by looking at those graphs going from left to right. I think G12T-75's work best with brighter sounding amps, balances the tone nicely but when I tried them with my Carvin X50B I didn't like them. This works out the same way that some people think a Marshall 30 watt solid state digital amp yields that 'classic Marshall' sound. The G12-65 and G12T-75 also use the same 1777 cone.